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Oshen Anemos Cav FOIL rough by VulnePro Oshen Anemos Cav FOIL rough by VulnePro
Another rough Wacom FOIL concept, only this one is probably the most pimped of all of them so far. Regardless of the extra pimping I still consider this a rough base concept. Overall I'm very happy with this machines look and once I do end up doing a more refined piece I will probably use much of the lines I have here as the foundation. I should also comment on the, again, subtle asymmetry going on in parts, mainly the legs, this is again the notion that ideas such as Futurism and even some cubism have creeped into FOIL design. This machine is going to be one of the main "star" FOILs for the show, the second machine the main character will pilot. The name of the FOIL (not the model but the actual sendai entity control being that works with the human pilot) is Anemos, Greek for winds. It's use is actually not understood by the people of this future setting as Greece doesn't exist anymore, it's yet another example of hidden meanings and fragments of a lost history peppered in the show's narrative. I had in mind that this machine would have some kind of bo staff as a weapon, along with the CAV sword so we see it here with a super hardened bamboo staff. The cell-shaded cammo is more or less a placeholder, once I do a refined CG it'll prob be a crazier more organic pattern.

And Happy New Year everyone! Here's to having a great 2006!

Digital Wacom illustration

EDIT: I forgot to add a link to the Theos Ke Polemos glossary of terms we have up on the main site. It will be gradually added to as the year progresses but only with info I feel is of little import on the secrets in the storline, I.E. no spoilers. Theos glossary: [link]
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PuppetChaos Featured By Owner May 29, 2008
If I'm getting the right impression here, the sendai in the FOILs are kind of like the Fatima in Five Star Stories? (the whole co-pilot/living computer type deal?)

Quite an interesting little universe you've cooked up here :)
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VulnePro Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2008  Professional Filmographer
In some ways sort of similar but not inspired by FSS. FOIL sendai entities are not computers though, they are living creatures but they do function with computing systems and devices seamlessly. They essentially facilitate the pilots will and skills into the machine's performance and movements. The Faedai (sendai control entity in the FOIL) are slaved to the unit so they can't, unless "freed" leave the machine and typically sleep when the FOIL is between sorties. Rather tragic creatures, if never freed, when you boil it down.
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PuppetChaos Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2008
Ah, so it's a more real-robot take on the idea of a mecha being self-aware, in that it's not a quasi-mystic quality (like Getter Robo's various incarnations having a 'soul' and a will, or the RahXephon having a resident spirit), but rather an intentional part of the machine's design.
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VulnePro Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2008  Professional Filmographer
Lets say it's both approaching a more realism approach as well as mysticism. It's going to do it's own thing but as to the "mystic" in mecha anime we were exploring that for some time, since the early 90s, so it's not all too new to me I suppose :)
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Daimera Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2007
Dunno why I missed this the first time through... it's lovely. I just adore the general FOIL setup, with the head set down further forward than where one would normally expect to find a head on a mech with this kind of shape.
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VulnePro Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2007  Professional Filmographer
Thank you for the kind words and :+fav: on this guy. It's going to be an important character so I will be doing a more refined paint of this thing in the near future. It's one of my fav FOIls overall as far as ones I've designed.
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SmirapDesigns Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2006  Professional Digital Artist
God and war? Cool design! What is this for? The only thing i don't really like is the fonts used and the orange color. But good job!
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VulnePro Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2006  Professional Filmographer
Thanks! Yup, God and War it's a story with themes in both areas but not any specific religion or dogmatic view, more abstract concepts. It's title is in Greek for various reasons in the story, seeing as how you're from Greece it's nice to have someone know it's origin. It's for an animted TV series pitch we will be talking to investors at some point in the future. It's just a straightforward rough concept piece. The design will be refined later when I have time ;)
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genocidalpenguin Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2006
awesome design. gotta say itís the coolest looking FOIL so far IMO :) the head reminds me of a parasaurolophus dinosaur. oh, and I totally dig the bamboo staff :D
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VulnePro Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2006  Professional Filmographer
Thanks man :) I'm glad you're seeing the Dinosaur vibe as it was really one of the main things that was inspiring the FOILs, not so much directly but in an animalistic sense. The staff was just something I've had in my head for this character, as the machine is a character. The pilot Endiel, is very skilled with both bladed weapons and the bo staff so a bo weapon for this FOIL seemed interesting. So far this one is my overall fav of the FOILs as well which is why I made it one of the star machines ;)
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genocidalpenguin Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2006
you may have noticed I myself has taken some design cues from dinosaurs. a bit more obviuos are the legs - big thighs tapered to smaller feet.

Iíve been struggling not to do a one of a kind mecha for my story, even though itís very tempting. I guess I could do some funky commander variations. the Zidharta machines will have a more varied range of personalisation though, as they are used by rebel forces.
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VulnePro Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2006  Professional Filmographer
I wondered at that but now that you've confirmed it I can see it, no question. Dinosaurs are wild to mine for ideas and seeing as how they actually existed it's not a bad place to look. I hear you on trying to avoid making all designs look too similar, it's something I'm hoping to avoid as well though I've intentionally added some familiar design flourishes thought all the FOILs overall. My notion is that some designers would jump from one company to the next and ideas of design would spread but I still want some differing looks. Ultimately I hope to have other artists doing FOIls for this project once I see this project getting closer to actually achieving production

It's cool to know the Zidharts is actually a rebel mech, groovy as this Anemos machine is actually sort of a rebel machine as well ;)
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genocidalpenguin Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2006
reminds me of a discussion I read (on this site of all places)
went something like this:
"so dinosaurs never existed huh? how about all the fossilised sceletons theyíve dug up"
"duh. ever heard of dragons? theyíre in the bible"
cracked me up :D

so you want guest designers, eh? *cough*pick me*cough* interesting *nudge* ;)

yeah theyíre older military mecha, somehow aquired by the rebels, or freedom fighters as they like to call themselves.
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VulnePro Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2006  Professional Filmographer
Oh, and that IS bloody funny, Dragons, bibles and silliness. Gotta love people. Can't wait till some loon actually DOES pull a Jurassic Park and clones a T-Rex or something because I imagine that might happen at some point. I bet the fundamental crazies wil think it's a hologram or something, no better yet... SATAN!!!! Run kids!
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genocidalpenguin Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2006
yes! letís clone a giant predatory reptile, that will surely end well. ;P (I want one though)
I think you underestimate the fundamentalists way of finding elaborate explanations for the most simple logical things.

....tyrannosatan-rex. he he :D
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VulnePro Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2006  Professional Filmographer
Actually, the scary thing is, I do imagine they would come up with some insanity to explain away such a thing in the most profoundly imbecilic and creatively silly way possible XD Trannosatan-rex, now THAT does rock, we need to order one of those suckers up STAT LOL
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VulnePro Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2006  Professional Filmographer
Well, I'll tell you what, being that you offered you were frankly the first choice I had, flat out, Daemoria as well. I have just been careful to ask folks into this project as I'm not a budgeted studio quite yet capable of a payroll, I'm much like everyone else here working on getting there. I know there are a lot of those kind of join us and great oppurtunities will arise type of projects out there, somewhat a dime a dozen you know. I hope to be different about this if I can. I'm doing this cause I love creating this stuff but this is a very serious and professional pitch I have planned and I do know folks in the industry, knowing more every year. I can say this much, I plan to do all I can to make this show project happen and for mecha fans and artists it's gonna be a HUGE mecha playground. It's not all just mecha, not at all, but they're gonna have a huge part and there will be a LOT of them. So yes, you bet I'd be happy to have someone with your impressive skills and imagination helping out. I'll fill you in on what this thing's about with more depth in the future if you're really interested; it's quite a wild tale :) I'm also still interested in helping with your comic, so long as my schedule doesn't get too crazy.
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genocidalpenguin Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2006
of course Iím interested. itís the least I can do for you helping me out with my comic (and for doing all those lovely colourations)
besides, itís good PR ;)
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VulnePro Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2006  Professional Filmographer
Cool beans, I'd be honored to have you aboard. This year I plan to do a lot with this thing so more info will be coming. Though I popped into Deviant with all these mecha pieces I have a lot more other works on the way, characters, environments, props, etc. I have started posting a lot of Theos design stuff in scraps as well. It's tough trying to keep freelance flowing and doing something this ambitious but as long as things grow and the people are serious about what they do AND have a good time doing it things can and do happen. I just wish I came to Deviant sooner but you know how it can be when you have a ton of balls in the air. I dig this place so far, a lot of great people and a TON of talent here :)
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wunderbear Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2006  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Rough?


ROUGH?!

GRAAAAGH!!! *strangles*

THAT IS AMAZING! So amazing that I will have to FAVOURITE IT and KILL you!!

How long have you been using your tablet? I'm noowhere near that good yet. (check my latest pic; that's my skill level at the moment.)
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VulnePro Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2006  Professional Filmographer
Well thanks ;) Well it's more rough in the process I used to illustrate it, quick and dirty though as I said in the posting I went and refined it a little more than the earlier roughs I posted. I'm glad you dig it it's going to be the central machine of the show in many ways. Had the tablet since 98-99, I actually forget when I bought it now LOL I just remember I got it a year or so before i worked with Dreamwave. You works aren't too shabby really, it just takes time and practice working in digital colors and frankly I still have a lot to learn myself. Just keep working with it and keep practicing, experimenting, you'll keep improving and learning that way.
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wunderbear Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2006  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
what tools do you use in drawing it? What size do you work at? (for example, what size was that pic worked on at?) I'm guessing you use Photoshop, because you're so obviously one of the oh-so-jammy-dodgers that can afford it, but what media tools? Normal brush? Just curious.
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VulnePro Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2006  Professional Filmographer
It's all Photoshop and was rendered only on the Wacom tablet. I used a hard brush with the pressure sensitivity (other dynamics) shut off. I had the brushes shape dynamics on. It was rendered in 300dpi. The process is pretty much loose sketching with the Wacom pen, using black, and roughing out the forms, then erasing and building, erase, build. I pretty much shape this almost as I "sculpt" my more painted FOIL concepts. I hope that sheds some light. Overall a simple approach.
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wunderbear Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2006  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
300dpi? What's that approx in pixels? (How big was the "canvas"?)

I don't think there's an equivalent to what you're using in PaintShop Pro. A pity, as I really want that kind of line quality. The standard brush tool feels too smooth, and there's no "drag" quality, the effect of a directed brush (rather than the computer feeling of a circular brush multiplied on a line), like I get with pencil or pens. That's why I use the art media tools, because they do that effect. But i'd like to work with a tool that did that as well as having the effect of the brush, of clean smooth lines.

Sorry if that sounded poncey and pretentious (which I fear). I'm just trying to explain it and it's difficult.
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VulnePro Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2006  Professional Filmographer
Width 1500 x Height 2100 at 300dpi. Being this wasn't scanned in as a drawing all I did was create a new canvas at that size and went to town. Afraid I don't use Paintshop Pro so I don't know what tools to suggest on that. I use Photoshop 7.0 and Painter 9 primarily. I imagine all you can do is experiment with what digital tools you have until you find something that seems to work for you. Don't wrroy about asking questions I have no problem with answering them at all :)
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wunderbear Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2006  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
1500x2100? That explains it. I work on a smaller canvas; indeed, the size the picture is released at is often the size I worked at. I'm guessing I could afford to work on bigger canvases.

Thanks!
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VulnePro Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2006  Professional Filmographer
You're welcome. Althought the file sizes end up much larger and eat hard-drive space a good deal I typically work at 300dpi on most of my primary works. 300 is standard print size for publishing and at 300 it's easier to work more detail into your art. As I'm sure you know, smaller canvas means more pixels showing when you zoom in.
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sevenofeleven Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2006
Fear the FOIL or end up with the pole stuck up an exhaust port!

Have you thought about doing a Kill bill set of FOILS?
A set of FOILS that have the quality of each of the Kill bill chars?
Thought about doing it myself but my mech making skills are not good enough.

Looks great.
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VulnePro Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2006  Professional Filmographer
Thanks man. Can't say I've considered doing soming related to Kill Bill as these FOILs are prety well fleshed out as to what roles and personalities they have. As I get more done I plan to have some interesting stuff, images with the FOILs in combat, etc. If somebody wants to do their own fan arts with that theme I'm cool with it so long as the Vulne Pro copyrights and credits are honored.
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Shadowdevil Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2006  Hobbyist Digital Artist
dats cool!
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VulnePro Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2006  Professional Filmographer
My thanks.
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PrimalAce Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2006
Awesome work, your "rough" designs are really starting to become refined. Keep it up
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VulnePro Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2006  Professional Filmographer
Thank a lot, very appreciated. Yeah this one is a more refined "rough" but overall I used the same approach I did on the other roughs. The primary difference here is I was really digging the direction it was going, in the sense that I could see this was the main characters star or hero machine. It's not quite like the other FOILs because it's made by the most respected FOIL manufacturer in the stories setting but it still has a design flow that I gave many of the fictional FOIL manufacturers, this odd mix of sweeping curves, organic forms, and angles. Come to think of it I should post a link to the Theos Ke Polemos updated Glossary for everyone to get some additional background info for this project. I'll update the posting up there in a moment with it :)

Theos Ke Polemos glossary of terms: [link]
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MeganeRid Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2006  Professional Digital Artist
nice design :) happy new year! ^_^
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VulnePro Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2006  Professional Filmographer
Thank you man and a very Happy New Year to you as well :) Here's to all of us having a great year and continuing to see the great work flow like wine from all these folks around here ;) Cheers my friend!
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ProcrastinatorMan Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2006
Whoa that's a great comcept you have going there in the description. So, you're making a ... show? A TV show?
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VulnePro Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2006  Professional Filmographer
Well, this isn't a show that's in production yet, it's a pre-production pitch proposal. There are never any certainties when doing something this ambitious and there are of course MANY groups out there trying to realize similar goals. Ultimately a work will succeed or fail on the strength of its own merits and we're going to do everything we can to make this an attractive and marketable show and entertaining. All that will matter is if investors are excited by what we have in mind. Thing is if folks are really liking the stuff I will be posting throughout the year continue to show your support, that also tends to get investors attention ;) We will do all we can to make this happen as we believe in this property, you've only seen a tiny fraction of what it's all about.
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ProcrastinatorMan Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2006
Wow. Sounds liekit's a lot of work. I hope this all pulls through. Good luck with that production if the proposal goes over well. Make sure you tell all us people watching if the show makes it any where. I'll check up on your website from time to time to check in on the news. Good luck. :thumbsup:
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VulnePro Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2006  Professional Filmographer
It can be but it's a lot of fun too. The progress of the project will be reported here and on our sites blog [link] at least as much as we can because once it hits a certain point it will fall under NDA territory (Non Disclosure Agreement).
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MrSmive Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2006
hahah he has a koool stick great to fight tanks wid a bambo pole lol
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VulnePro Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2006  Professional Filmographer
Yeah it does look crazy indeed. The pole is molecularly hardened so it would cause some severe damage if that thing hit a tank or another FOIL full force, though ultimately it wasn't designed to fight tanks but more a close quarters, albiet showey, FOIL to FOIL weapon. This machine also uses swords and projectile weapons.
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MrSmive Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2006
see most ppl woudl cossider a bambo stick tho hardened a pretty poor weapon agaisnt say rail guns missles auto cannons ect good help the pilot he must have some skills
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VulnePro Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2006  Professional Filmographer
This is a good point, no question. It comes down to how you set up your world's environments, cultural trends, and military tactics. This machine does use projectile weapons as well and also a sword, I simply didn't draw them. The primary purpose of the sword and something as odd as a molecularly enhanced bamboo staff is purely close quarters FOIL combat, which in this culture, is entered into with a code of honor. This story, though futuristic, isn't really a cyberpunk-ish slick hi-tech deal, it's a more retro hi to low tech feel with an almost steampunk vibe and a hardboiled film noir approach. Interestingly enough there are indeed rail guns in the story, floating gun platforms that defend neutral territories and cities from any accidental or intentional FOIL incursions. if a FOIL ventures too close it will be warned and if it doesn't stand down they will open up on them and rail guns will take them out.
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MrSmive Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2006
yea i get yea man make a good aniamtion to say the least can u skin 3dsmodels? if so i have a idea :-P proble need a few guys Primal ace and some caracter rigers landscapers ect make a sick as cgi short film. somthing to kick start UrStudios u think it could be done?
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amade Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2006  Professional Digital Artist
Happy New Year to you too :)

I wondered why you didn't use the more specific Greek names for different (points of) winds.
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VulnePro Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2006  Professional Filmographer
Happy New Year to you as well :) That's a good question. Since I first wandered online I have used the screen-name aneamo, something I thought I had made up. The name came from Wing's of Honneamise, I just warped Honneamise into aneamo, it was my own personal homage to one of my favorite films. A year or so ago someone online said it was Greek for wind and asked me if that's why I chose it, I told them the same thing above. When I decided to research it I found many Greek words for wind, one of which was anemos for winds. I chose it for that reason, it was similar to my accidentally similar screen-name and I chose anemos because it was winds, less specific to a direction, the reason is this FOIL represents the coming Badan (more info in our Theos glossay, link added to posting above). The Badan was a mythic holy war in the past, a legend. Did it happen or not? The Badan was the coming of change, divine winds so to speak. So this FOIL is actually the only machine with a name like this, there won't be others representing different winds or direction, it's simply this one named by it's creators symbolically in code as Greek is no longer used in the common understanding we have today.
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amade Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2006  Professional Digital Artist
Though quite small, it was quite an enlightening glossary. One thing I didn't quite get was the Sendai entity, the entry was quite short and it was left to my imagination that FOILs have living sendai "brains" inside it which is also a mental pathway to its human pilots. The part about "class structure for the next phase of human social stabilization" left me scratching my head though. I also found the term bio-organic redundant, because if I read it literally it's something that's biological, organic and living which is all the same thing to me ^^;
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VulnePro Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2006  Professional Filmographer
Yeah, the sendai entry is an older clipped one, I forgot to update that when I added some new entries, thanks for mentioning because it needs more clarity indeed and was supposed to be the longer entry. I accidentally cut it off on the one up there O_o;;; Bio-organic is redundant but has become a common sci-fi term in many cases, but really it should have read bio-mechanical so I need to change that. I'll do an update on that entry soon and will be adding more entries as I go :) The sendai brains in the FOILs will get some additional explanation as well so it's clear what they are and how they differ from a normal sendai.
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